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From: (///\ ulTRÅX \\\/)
Date: 07 Feb 1999
Time: 09:33:26
Remote Name: 209.240.200.72
Group: alt.discuss.webtv.hacking Date: Tue, Feb 2, 1999, 12:23pm From: ulTRAX@webtv.net (///\ ulTRÅX \\\/) more Sorry, I thought the <xmp> tag I had in my sig to get the Vote letter's html code would have disabled the HTML in the post.... so I reposted. Guess it didn't. ECW in another post claims: "On one further note; As to me giving out the groups info, as I said when you went ballistic, I learn from my mistakes. I haven't given out any info that I didn't find on my own since then. 1 mistake corrected. Everyone who was in our groups knows what would happen if I did start spreading that info. I'm not that reckless. But I won't let you lie." Once again the lies seem to be on ECW's part. He knows that shortly after the giveaway in question he also gave away a highly sensitive technique that mattman had discovered. Now, because of ECW, that technique has now spread past the original person it was given to and is known by at least 2 others... and since information is the currancy of this subculture.... who knows how many more. While matt's information was highly sensitive, it was not as potentially damaging as what ECW got from. Yet he gave that away as well. As for the issue of credit.... In many cases there is no clear originator of an idea since ideas often synergisticly build in groups as ideas are bounced back in forth.... I wrote to ECW at the time: "If you really think that you would have got to Killer at the time you did without a group effort... that getting to Killer was "your" exclusive discovery, then I think your respect for the very concept of the group and the people who are in it needs serious adjusting." Getting to Willie was based on a theory I had pushed since August and again in October, when mattman made the breathough. ECW only beat others there by minutes based on matt's work... using a critical IP list also supplied by matt..... so much for "working" for his info. Yet ECW has falsely maintained the work was his alone. In other posts he accuses me of essentially being a parasite who never gives credit. I'm sorry if this sort of self-serving bullshit pisses me off... because for a long time I both trusted and respected ECW. ECW wrote : "And I won't get into a mindless flame war with you throwing around lies and slander." It seems all the lies and slander so far have been on your part. You'll have to take responsibility for your own actions... as well as your own hypocracy. But won't hold my breath waiting for you to develop a conscience..