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From: (The Path Of Rage)
Date: 09 Feb 1999
Time: 14:06:17
Remote Name: 209.240.200.42
Group: alt.discuss.webtv.hacking Date: Wed, Feb 3, 1999, 7:57pm (EST-1) From: Ecwfrk2@webtv.net (The Path Of Rage) Re: Credit Theft
Technically you "found" the URL fo the instruction page. This must have been some difficult feat given you were a previewer and only had to go to MadRabbit to get the URL. WOW! Well, you didn't have it did you? I never said it was a difficult find, I was just the first to do it. Technically I found on that page the code for the DOOM "on" switch. At the time I sent it out, you never said "oh, oh, I had it first!!". If you had you would have sent it to us. I did. I posted it the clubhouse. And an intelligent person would have assumed that I had extracted all the code before I shared it, which I did. Just because I didn't tell you immediaty about the "on" code doesn't mean I didn't have it before I sent you the instruction pages (something you did not have until I gave them to you). But that didn't stop you from claiming credit did it? Perhaps you should have asked before you declared it your find. But I guess you were just betraying our trust huh? None of this is a big deal and I'm fully aware of its silliness.... Of course it's not a big deal, it's something *you* did. If it had been anyone else though you would brand them a phony and a lamer. Hmmm, what kind of person would resort to these pathetic tactic? What tactics? Proving what you challeged me to prove? Gee, how low of me. My INSISTANCE that credit be given to real tricks and achievements is well known. To try and do the same for 1300 URLs is an impossible task. Then don't give cerdit. But don't claim the credit for yourself if you're unsure. After all your vicious, slanderous, accusations.... the best you can come up with is the fucking DOOM "on switch"? No. But that is all you have stolen from me. If the others wish to challenge your claims of credit, they can. I won't do it for them. It's their buisness, not mine. Even that is bogus. And yet once again you presume to interpret the facts for everry one else. Do you think they are too stupid to figureit out themselves? I don't. I'll let them decide if you're a credit thief or not based on the facts I present, not my interpretations of them in my favor. As for who found the "on" switch, I can no longer claim credit for it either. I just am not sure I was reall the first anymore either. I just know that you weren't. As for this DOOM code.... again you rewrite and distort the past. I did not rewrite anything. You claim stupid assuptions made on your part to hide your blantant teft of credit in able for tyou to atempt to glorify yourself to the group and it backfired. It is you who distorts the past in your favor. The facts are, I was a previewer and had access to those codes, you didn't. By luck I was able to get them but you claim credit for something you had found by pulling a code I already had from a page you would not have had without me giving it to you. Just as in the case of the willies pages. I got them using a code i got from MattMan and used it to find something else. Yet you claim my claim is invalid since I would not have had the ability to get those pages without MattMan's code. But you argue your claim is valid even though the exact same circumstances existed in this case. That's just the same double standard I have been attempting to xpose. You're making it much easier. Why is that? If some of you will recall I posted in October a call for people to identify information they might want to trade with each other. Another stupid idea. What did you expect? A bunch of people screaming "I can get to TD! Wanna trade?!?" or "I have Doom! Wanna trade with me?!?" in the newsgroup? Or were you just hoping that these people would send you their secrets so you could decide whether they were worthy of being passed around without their consent in the hope that you would tell them that it was worthy of being traded? I felt such an exchange would have been useful. Useful for your own selfish goals. Again, you think that people need you to prompt them in able for them to figure out how to trade with each other. How stupid do you think people are? I did this in part to shake up our own group Ruffle your own feathers time for ulTRAX. "*I* tried my best. but others were the ones who blocked *me*". Again you make it seem you were the only person contributing to the "clique" (As I said before, WHAT FUCKING GROUP!?! I never joined a fucking group!). I was already helping people outside the "group". I didn't have to put every person on trial and demand a vote on them before they were deemed worthy. We ALL agreeded that the DOOM code was a good bet. NOTE: it was a group decision. Yep. And you unilatterally decided to trade it to DRY_ICE for something I already had and knew didn't work, without consulting one other member of the "group" first. And then blamed us afterwards saying that we had said that it would be alright for you to do so. he first got to willies based entirely on OTHER people's work... And what were you doing when you got the Doom codes based entirely upon my work? Oh yeah, that's right. You were here flaming newbies and claiming credit for what you found based on OTHER's work. then privately gave it (as he did other things belonging to the group pool) away WITHOUT consulting the group? As you did with the DOOM codes? be done with the IP list since the day I first saw that list in Tricks, and certainly in my October posts about TipTup's DNS/IP Dont you love how he tries to claim how everything happens beause of what he has done? If you really think that you would have got to Killer at the time you did without a group effort... If you really think that you, or anybody could have gotten where we are without the rest of the people inthis newsgroup... that getting to Killer was "your" exclusive discovery Then you are discrediting everyone's claim to credit? then I think your respect for the very concept of the group and the people who are in it needs serious adjusting. Hey ulTRAX, read that part again to yourself, slowly. I think the record is pretty clear that ECW *can NOT be trusted with information Well, you've admitted numerous times in this debate that you have been passing off all the info people have been giving yu for months to others without their knowledge or consent. So even if I might have violated your trust, you have admitted to violating the trust of ever person who's info you passed out, and the trust of every person who's personal info you have stolen. *is dishonest when it suits him Good definition of yourself *willing to make false allegations with the specific intent of harming another or protecting a fragile ego. A very good desciption of yourself. *level of emotional stability: status unknown See your above accusation. It didn't take long for you to give an example of you doing just that. And to think he worked for the IRS? Scary. Go ahead, take a parting shot ala ulTRAX. BTW, I personally processed over $260 BILLION dollars or refunds and collected exactly $0 in 2 years of work. It's really frightening isn't it?